Most are saying that Pence won the debate. I disagree. Unless of course, lies don't matter. If a debate winner is decided by calm presentation, I'll admit Pence won. If a debate is decided by facts and an honest presentation of what a candidate stands for, Pence lost, badly. Maybe Kaine kept interrupting because Pence was lying just about every time he opened his mouth. Pence's statements were so full of provable lies I can't imagine anyone could take him seriously.
No surprise since we are living in a fake image society. Facts don't matter as long as you look good and sound good, even if you are insulting and lying. It's a mystery to me why Trump is so popular. I guess I don't live in an image society. I'm old fashioned. I believe facts and honestly stating policy positions should win a debate.
6 Responses.
01. October 6, 2016 at 2:22 PM.
Tom Harper: Pence is either a serial liar or he's the most uninformed politician in the world. Every time Kaine would recite one of Trump's inflammatory comments, Pence would pretend to be dumbfounded, and say "What??? Mr. Trump would never say something like that".
In any case, the conventional wisdom seems to be that Pence is positioning himself for 2020 and isn't really interested in helping Trump. That's fine with me. We can worry about Pence in four years. Keeping Trump out of the White House is far more urgent.
02. October 6, 2016 at 4:44 PM.
Luke: Tom - FYI, I deleted Dervish's comment below. He threatened to troll and attack your blog. I'm sorry if he does, but I can't control what assholes do.
Pence is one of the most conservative Republicans in the Congress. He calls for the death penalty for women who have abortions.
Trump seems to bring out the worst. David Duke said he decided to run because of Trump's success. We will have to deal with these bigots the next few elections. I do expect Pence to run for president in 2020. He could be more dangerous than Trump, because he will get Republican party leadership support. Total support, not the halfhearted support Trump is getting from Republican leadership.
03. October 6, 2016 at 4:26 PM.
Dervish Sanders: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
04. October 7, 2016 at 1:17 PM.
T. Paine: "I'm old fashioned. I believe facts and honestly stating policy positions should win a debate".
Luke, I am in total agreement with you, and by that standard I think both Pence and Kaine lost... and more importantly, We The People have truly lost. As the typical politicians that they are in all of the worst ways, I still find Kaine and Pence far preferable to their respective presidential nominees that they support on their tickets.
I will vote for neither though. I realize that the corrupt Hillary campaign will win in a month, but I really don't think it will matter what the outcome is. Either way, cynicism, lies, corruption, and the death of the constitution and the rule of law will be the outcome regardless of whom our next president is.
05. October 7, 2016 at 1:54 PM.
Luke: T. Paine,
Thanks for stopping by.
I agree, on that basis, they did both lose.
History tells us politicians have always been corrupt. Hopefully laws passed because of past corruption helps stop future corruption, but they just find new ways to enhance themselves.
Cynicism and disgust should lead us to be more diligent, but when 10's of millions of Americans are gullible enough to back a demagogue like Trump, I see little hope. Still, the Constitution leaves us the only non-violent way to make change, the vote. Politicians aren't going to change. It's the American voter that needs to change.
06. October 7, 2016 at 2:45 PM.
T. Paine: You are correct, sir. The fact that the populace is woefully uneducated on history, civics, economics, and trivial things like our constitution only goes to ensure that corrupt politicians are what we will continue to get. We cannot be bothered with paying attention to the issues or holding politicians accountable, but we sure can pay attention to what Brad and Angelina or the Kardashians are doing. If we held our politicians accountable for their actions, Hillary and Trump would never have even been considered for their respective party's nominations. Indeed, we get the government we deserve accordingly.
